Linked In contact by internal recruiter, meet with hiring manager, followed by 4 add'l Zoom calls. Each interviewer seemed to give different answers to the same question. The last one sounded pounded down by years in an environment that seems weak on work/life balance. Tech stack is ancient, their cloud adoption is slow, meaning you're still concerned with data centers and physical servers with some VMware and very limited cloud applications to manage. It will get harder and harder to find individuals to fill this role as most sysadmins are now SaaS engineers at this point in IT. Nobody wants to go back and manage server rooms and on-prem Exchange environments. This job was advertised as "director," but listed as "manager" along with the requirement to be at least 50/50 hands on to managerial. For any actual director, this is not a fit given how flat and non-tiered this organization is around IT management. Too many indians and not enough chiefs is my observation. Moving on.